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 Capital Punishmet: OK or No?

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1PostSubject: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:03 am

Capital punishment: Do you really think those executed are really being "punished"?? How do you say, "BLESSED"?? You must not "judge according to appearance"! This is what's happening:




Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.




Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.




John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,




Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.




John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.




Ecclesiastes 4:2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.




Get your head out of the mud, wipe it from your eyes, open them and SEE! All those called from death are MORE BLESSED than those who remain alive on Earth.
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2PostSubject: Re: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:58 pm

goodnews inc, #1, re: Capital punishment: Do you really think those executed are really being "punished"?? How do you say, "BLESSED"?? You must not "judge according to appearance"! This is what's happening"
RR's response: As a Spiritualist, I look upon capital punishment from a perspective more complex than the one both Christians and modern Western athiests see it from. A number of things can happen when the spirit of someone who's been executed passes over. The most common is that Spirit Guides (also called Guardian Spirits) help the person take a "life review", which ends with them deciding what to do while they are in the disembodied state, which is usually to prepare themselves for an apropriate reincarnation. The next life may put them in a situation where they will be punished for past sins, but it's just likely that they'll end up working off their bad karma with a life full of good deeds. However it's also possible the first spirits to reach the newcomer will be those with grudges against their misdeeds during the last incarnation. Guides often have to rescue such spirits. And something worse can happen to the soul of an executed person: being met by a band of spirits who go around doing bad things in the disembodies state.

re: Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

RR's response: All human beings have the right to say this, but only a few have evidence to prove it is true. They are mostly people who have conscious access to their pre-life and past-life memories, and/or the ability to channel coherent messages from disembodied spirits. The Hindus have known this from the most ancient times, which is why they divided the human race into two categories: the Twice Born who know the "great secret", and the rest of the population who don't. This piece of rational knowledge was quickly twisted and used to create a heriditary caste system, which was the exact opposite what the original Sages intended. The Twice Born tend to be natural leaders in whatever they do, but they are supposed to prove this by their ideas, words, and actions, while everyone in the society competes in what is essentially a level playing field.
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3PostSubject: Re: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:47 pm

This is a most interesting and informative post.
It was years ago - maybe five or six or more - when I was called by some vision in a bathtub saying t me I was a dwija.
On the other hand, at the surface level I have been opposed to capital punishment in modern society. Generally reform and therapies should be extended to bad convicts and not the simple citizen's anger for vengeance.
There are cases when a convicted person pleads: "Kill me, for I will commit these things again." Such as the famous serial killer in Canada who was getting love letters from hapless women after the televised parts of the trial. He was right - his karmic pattern was so bad that staying in it was more of a punishment than simply ending life in a civilized fashion.
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4PostSubject: Re: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:17 am

Yeah, reg, this is a very interesting subject and love to see other people add their opinions on this subject to the ones the two of us have just posted.
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5PostSubject: Re: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:03 am

Question: can people executed or dying suddenly, unnaturally etc. "haunt" places or persons?
In psychological terms, it is obviously true. My grandfather was executed under the Bolshevik dictatorship of the 50's on trumped-up charges... and the family was afraid to mention it in open terms until decades éater so I grew up wondering who this person was on the wall on a faded photo, at eight or ten I asked relatives why my grandmother was titled "widow" - but received no answer first.
Or who was this person with the same name as mine who authored a book on Boccaccio...
Now as a child I rarely wondered about him then took their version as true enough - young people are frequently more interested in rock bands, girls and what they directly experience.

But as I became a young man, I had to realize that some things in my life were hauntingly the same - including my name and appearance and some of my preferences (the world within which my preferences were has obviously changed though).
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6PostSubject: Re: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:48 pm

reg, #5: It looks to me like you are referring to two equally common afterlife phenomena that have very different origins. People who die unexpectedly, especially under highly emotional circumstances such as execution, murder, or suicide, often do "haunting", but ironically enough, they usually appear to friends, relatives, or strangers with an interest in their time, place, and/or manner of death ... not to people who could be expected to feel guilt over their demise. The latter scenario has been common in literature throughout history, but seems to be surprisingly uncommon in true accounts of psychic/mystical experiences
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However, such accounts often overlap with past-life memories, usually in complex ways. Just because seeing a picture of a person makes someone recall past life memories of things that happened to him/her does NOT mean they really WERE that person in a previous life, or even knew them well. This is because past-life and pre-life memories are recorded in pre-verbal symbols, and the mind's eye tends to interpret them in terms of information already in the physical memory, such photographs or verbal descriptions from the present life.
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7PostSubject: Re: Capital Punishmet: OK or No?   Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:52 pm

I am sure I was not my grandfather, nor did I know him personally - though I could have met him theoretically in Germany in the thirties. Most likely not.

That was one previous life I recalled in detail - and I already mentioned it on these boards - I was a hospital doctor in Germany and died on the Russian front after having a bitter disillusionment with the National Socialist way of thinking.

My executed grandfather haunts me more as a karmic story and a faraway family model - I never had any sense of his concrete presence as a spirit except one time when after an esoteric family therapy session dealing with this story I went to a Catholic Church to offer my respect to his "spirit." I could say it was a "spirit print" living in my family unconscious.

The concrete presences I had seen awake before my breakthrough I think were all the same: brief flashes of one of my Guides. I still see this time to time and now I think it is a signal to get in touch in a more meditative or dreamy state. Though over the years I feel sometimes I get clear answers awake - or at least a sense of a presence - especially when doing some divination type activities.

My other grandmother - the IC connected one - died peacefully in a hospital but she kept on appearing in my place in my awake dreams, which place was also where she used to live. This went on for a couple of weeks after her death. It was an incomplete part, not showing any of the deep knowledge she really had until her last days. That spirit part was visibly disturbed that she could not eat from the pot in the kitchen. Finally I told her that she must go on somewhere else, the Universe was waiting for her - which was in accordance with her spiritualist beliefs. She thanked me and from that night she disappeared forever.

I still consult her memory at the level of my most important psychological ancestor but I feel that is a different level.

I hope my executed grandfather had a peaceful reincarnation somewhere already.

Back to topic, I could see many different spirits in my former country house and they were very disturbing. Then a couple of years before my breakthrough, I had a spirit session and I talked to a couple of them. Or rather listened. They had died on that spot, due to some political violence, and their story was not known to anyone. Their remains were not there. The house was definitely more peaceful or settled after that. One of them did not even remember his name because he got so lost in the other world. I forgot the name of the other one, though later I did ask a couple of people in the village whether they knew such a family or such a work that he described. I was satisfied that such a person could indeed have existed before the peaceful times.
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