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1PostSubject: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:26 pm

Has anyone seen the reports of an attack on France?  A concert hall was attacked late this afternoon, USA time, pandemonium as people ran for the exits, some making it out. The others taken hostage, were killed one by one, until the French authorities went in and began to fight terrorists.
Isis is claiming to be the attackers.
Don't know much more.
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2PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:28 pm

Just heard 1000+ were killed.
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3PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:32 pm

Well I don't know why my comment disappeared.

I think they are Reptilians.
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4PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:34 pm

I MAY be wrong, it may be 100 instead of 1000, which would be better than a 1000.
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5PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:38 pm

You think Isis are Reptilian, or that the attackers are Reptilian?
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6PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:39 pm

I just got back from grocery shopping and immediately turned the TV to the Sharks Hockey game, which is just starting. So when I opened this thread I immediately tuned to CNN, and the body count is now "at least 118".

I wonder if this was a retaliation for the killing of "Jehadi John" by an American drone yesterday?

At least RB is no longer living in Paris, but in the Southern part of France.

And I had no idea a tragedy like this would happen on Friday the 13th when I changed the RR front page logo pict to some scary details from one of my old paintings. I was going to take it down at midnight, but I now think I'll leave it up or a while.
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7PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:53 pm

They mentioned earlier that it might be payback for Jihads John.
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8PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:57 pm

Skytiger wrote:
You think Isis are Reptilian, or that the attackers are Reptilian?

Geesh there are two quotes to use and when I use the first one my comment does not show up.

Anyway I was saying that I think it is Isis that are an Alien race.  I thoght they may be the Reptilians but they sound more like the Reticulans or Reticuli.  I post a link to the Reptilians and now will just give the main site with them all on it

....and there are many other sites about these things and not all of them are the same:
http://www.orionmindproject.com/
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9PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:05 pm

Glad to hear RB is not in Paris. Hope he stays safe.
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10PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:41 pm

I got it on TV at at 10 AM. Report: 160 158 dead, 6 terrorists self destructed, two killed and one captured.

France too accepted thousands of refugees. The crowd must have been infested by terrorists.

When is West going to wake up? Or will they go on saying good terrorists vs bad terrorists.

In Mumbai 26/11/2008 164 were killed. Unfortunately there was not much of international outrage. This time there is a storm.
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11PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:26 pm

What is best time for repairing your fences and securing your sheep? Clearly after the wolves sneak in.

France too has tightened the border security.
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12PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:50 am

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What is best time for repairing your fences and securing your sheep? Clearly after the wolves sneak in.

France too has tightened the border security.

IMO, the USA is simply too big to ever fence out all the terrorists, and it doesn't matter anyway, because ISIS and similar groups are able to radicalize people who are already here by using the Internet. So I have no idea what's going to happen here over the long haul.

And I have almost no access to information about how similar problems are now being handled in India. Could you post a few links to English language descriptions of this? It's definitely worth discussing here, because this is the wave of the future, whether the governments and general population in the Western countries want to admit it or not...
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13PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:46 am

I believe ISIS is already here and when the time is right, they will attack.
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14PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:07 pm

Patty wrote:
I believe ISIS is already here and when the time is right, they will attack.  

I totally agree, and worse yet, I believe that ISIS is "already here and when the time is right, they will attack" could be truthfully said in just about any country on Earth right now. However, I have no idea what the long-term impact of this tragic set of circumstances will have on history.

Will open conflict break out between jehadists and non-jehadists in Muslim countries and communities all over the world? Will more and more governments in non-Islamic countries start trying Muslims on terrorism charges based on little evidence? Will ordinary people in non-Islamic countries start persecuting Muslims as Christians used to persecute Jews, with the governments taking little or no action to stop this?

Yeah, these are scary things to speculate about, but history has proven over and over that such things are quite common.
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15PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:24 pm

Not only that, a general wave of fanaticism and fear and anger... I believe now there is even a possibility for a world war, though a softer version would be no doubt better.
As a security analyst specializing in Arab history, Janos Szeky pointed out in a long study in Hungary, ISIS is not strong by itself. That is why they shock the West at every turn. It is likely that it was founded by the escaped security chiefs and top soldiers of Saddam Hussein, plus there are Chechen fighters. 8% of ISIS fighters speak Russian as their mother tongue and one of the chief commanders was born in the Soviet Union.
Paris was foretold in neo-Vedic astrology - though we couldn't pinpoint the exact weekend, this was a likely candidate.
However, this summer I got a blast of the climate catastrophe too. Syria too - millions migrated to urban zones for the unprecedented drought between 2006 and 2009, which no doubt contributed to the urban restlessness which broke out in the Arab Spring.
Syria would have been different if the Russian Empire didn't have strong interests in keeping Tartus, their warm seaport and the regime that has all but idolized everything Russia does. Remember, the once mighty PLO was basically supported by the Soviet Union back then.
It cannot be stopped now. There will be constant terror games over here. When I briefly visited the US in May, I could see that everyone is far better prepared in terms of airport security and school security and even post offices. In Europe, I'm afraid we remained asleep.
Palestinian terror camps in the Syrian desert already mapped out the weak points of Hungary's capital in 1988 according to an undercover journalist who spent months there and only escaped with his life because he also saved the life of a top commander with rough desert wanderings.

The leaders of the PLO then spoke excellent German. Odd. They patiently explained that Arab or Iranian soldiers had one capital strength compared to Westerners, they are wiling to sacrifice their lives for the "cause." However, their weakness is that in formal combat they never withdraw. Allah is supposed to lead them to victory or death. Well...
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16PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:51 pm

France and EU welcomed the Trojans with open arms. Fair to assume there were a lot of ISIS agents among them.




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Did you notice that this attack is nearly an exact replica of 26/11/2008 Mumbai attack? Please google for that if you don't know.
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17PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:36 am

If all the countries in the world united, perhaps they would destroy Isis, however destroying their view of their religion may take centuries to stop.
How do people who love peace stop religious radicals from destroying the world.
Make no mistake, if Isis were to destroy all others, they would then start killing their own people, such is their hatred.
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18PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:21 am

reg, #15, re: "Not only that, a general wave of fanaticism and fear and anger... I believe now there is even a possibility for a world war, though a softer version would be no doubt better. As a security analyst specializing in Arab history, Janos Szeky pointed out in a long study in Hungary, ISIS is not strong by itself. That is why they shock the West at every turn. It is likely that it was founded by the escaped security chiefs and top soldiers of Saddam Hussein, plus there are Chechen fighters. 8% of ISIS fighters speak Russian as their mother tongue and one of the chief commanders was born in the Soviet Union."

I also remember reading predictions made by Israeli politicians many years ago that Islamic fundamentalists from what was then the Soviet Union would eventually try to establish a Muslim equivalent of Israel somewhere in the Middle East: a heavily armed modern nation that could serve as a homeland for Islamic militants just as Israel serves as homeland for Zionists.

re: "Paris was foretold in neo-Vedic astrology - though we couldn't pinpoint the exact weekend, this was a likely candidate."

I've never been a believer in either Western or Eastern Astrology ... but I clearly remember astrological predictions on the mass scale (wars, revolutions, etc.) coming true all my life.

re: "However, this summer I got a blast of the climate catastrophe too. Syria too - millions migrated to urban zones for the unprecedented drought between 2006 and 2009, which no doubt contributed to the urban restlessness which broke out in the Arab Spring."

It looks to me like "global warming" is responsible for a lot more of the political and social upheavals that are now breaking out world wide than either politicians or orthodox social scientists will admit.

re: "Syria would have been different if the Russian Empire didn't have strong interests in keeping Tartus, their warm seaport and the regime that has all but idolized everything Russia does. Remember, the once mighty PLO was basically supported by the Soviet Union back then. It cannot be stopped now. There will be constant terror games over here. When I briefly visited the US in May, I could see that everyone is far better prepared in terms of airport security and school security and even post offices. In Europe, I'm afraid we remained asleep."

And it wasn't just the PLO, but Islamic nationalism in general that the USSR supported strongly from the end of WW2 until it morphed into the present "New Russian Empire".

re: "Palestinian terror camps in the Syrian desert already mapped out the weak points of Hungary's capital in 1988 according to an undercover journalist who spent months there and only escaped with his life because he also saved the life of a top commander with rough desert wanderings. The leaders of the PLO then spoke excellent German. Odd. They patiently explained that Arab or Iranian soldiers had one capital strength compared to Westerners, they are wiling to sacrifice their lives for the "cause." However, their weakness is that in formal combat they never withdraw. Allah is supposed to lead them to victory or death. Well..."

Yes! I remember all this, and also that the Israeli Zionists kept warning the West that Palestinian movement in general was dominated by both Soviet Communists and on a deeper level by the surviving pro-Nazi anti-Semites in Germany and other parts of continental Europe.
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19PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:22 am

rcscwc, #16, re: "France and EU welcomed the Trojans with open arms. Fair to assume there were a lot of ISIS agents among them."

I watched the video with great interest, and while it's clearly a piece of anti-Islamic propaganda, it looks to me like a great many of the details are true. And here's a comment on it that IMO is an even better explanation of this whole issue than the video itself:

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Something occurred to me recently. I hear in the mainstream media, the usual garbage propaganda of "it was the evil West's invasion of Iraq that caused this problem". It occurred to me why this is bullshit, and another part of the brainwashing of Western society. I will explain;

Firstly, ask yourself, if a foreign country invaded your home country of residence, would you either;

1) Attack the invaders, or;
2) Ignore the invaders and plant a car bomb to blow up your neighbours down the street?

Now, notice what happened after the 2003 war Iraq. The Iraqi population largely ignored Western forces, but then used their freedom from the Dictator (Saddam), to kill "each other", i.e. other Muslims. The reason why they did (and are still doing) this, is because of Islamic sectarian violence (e.g. the Sunni's hate the Shia, who in turn hate the Shi'ite, who hate the ... etc).

Furthermore, if a country needs a brutal dictator like Saddam Hussain to prevent its population killing each other, then there is already something seriously wrong with that brand of civilization (i.e. that dominated by Islam). Additionally, it also shows these problems existed before the Iraq war even started, and therefore not caused by the West!

We also hear in the media, that Westerners are somehow "bad" for invading other countries to get access to oil. Well, let's not forget how Saddam had no problem invading other countries like Kuwait in order to steal oil, but no-one seems to mention this. Or the fact that Iraq invaded Iran to control the crucial "Shatt Al-Arab" oil waterway, which "just so happens" to be right next to Kuwait, which is another country Saddam invaded to access the oil shipping lanes of the Gulf! It just shows what Saddam was after (i.e. oil, control of oil trading routes, etc). It just shows that Muslim countries were invading other counties for oil, years before the West did. It is interesting how Muslims NEVER mention this.

Finally, referring back to the migration crisis into free countries like Europe, it means that those Islamic migrants are going to carry the same animosity for other Islamic sects, with them. All that is going to happen is, the intersectional violence is going to be carried to Europe. This migration crisis simply means that the position of the "battlefield" is simply being moved, from the middle east, to Europe. And European politicians are letting this happen by having an "open door" policy to Muslim migrants! This is a disaster of epic proportions.

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re: "Did you notice that this attack is nearly an exact replica of 26/11/2008 Mumbai attack? Please google for that if you don't know."

I didn't remember that until you pointed it out, but the Wiki article on the incident makes it clear you are right:

"In November 2008, 10 Pakistani members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, an Islamic militant organisation, carried out a series of 12 coordinated shooting and bombing attacks lasting four days across Mumbai. The attacks, which drew widespread global condemnation, began on Wednesday, 26 November and lasted until Saturday, 29 November 2008, killing 164 people and wounding at least 308."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks
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20PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:23 am

Sky, #17, re: "If all the countries in the world united, perhaps they would destroy Isis, however destroying their view of their religion may take centuries to stop. How do people who love peace stop religious radicals from destroying the world. Make no mistake, if Isis were to destroy all others, they would then start killing their own people, such is their hatred."

And the most frightening thing about this is that modern Islam seems to default to the Isis type of fundamentalism, just as Judaism in Israel seems to be defaulting to Zionist fundamentalism. IMO it was a default towards moderation in all of Western countries following WW2 that allowed the Cold War to end and Communism in both the Soviet Union and China to give way to more progressive leadership. And unfortunately, I see few signs of this kind of moderation anywhere in the Islamic world, or for that matter, in the Muslims who are now fleeing to the West on an individual basis.

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21PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:38 pm

Believe it or not, I have had many lives in Islamic societies and somehow over the centuries, my soul drew the conclusion that this is clearly a no-go religion. Plus that maybe there is reincarnation though mainstream Islam forbids the thought. Islam has its wonderful mystics but the worldly part is simply about raw power. Submission of the powerful to the chief, of women to men, of men to Allah.
I clearly remember the conclusion my soul drew after our Sultan murdered an entire sect of Sufi mystics in what could be Baghdad today, though Islam was dear to my heart for hundreds of years through different lives.
I have always been in this life especially attracted to Islamic visual design and music (Iranian, Turkish, and various styles of Arab), find the Arabic language beautiful in sound, even prayers, and of course, I like their parables and the Arabian Nights and the wisdom of Hodja Nasruddin.

I explain it to myself in a way that perhaps because ordinary life is sometimes not good under Islam, people with a soul have to search elsewhere.

It is interesting though that the most traditional music of India, classical ragas, stemming from a strong and exclusive Hindu influence, has always had many Islamic masters. For example, take the sitar. Did you know that there are seven seats in India where the greatest masters of Indian ragas teach, and six out the seven are led by masters with an Islamic background? I had the chance to hear the concert of one sitar master Parviz Shaheb in Budapest now - and it confirmed my positive prejudice that even classical ragas which can be a bit formal are played with more mood and passion by masters of Islamic background. Ali Akbar Khan was the greatest sarod player, every bit as moving as Beethoven or the Beatles.

But then again, sitar masters are not running around with weapons. Their only weapon is sound.
What is culturally resolved (not without problems) in the Indian peninsula, is not resolved at all in the Middle East.

Another association is that Arabs invented coffee. Indeed, whole societies run on coffee, it would be hard to imagine the US especially. So karma is a bitch both ways. We obliterated many Indian nations and poison ourselves with tobacco...

If I was an Islamic freethinker now in the West, I would probably change my name. IT wouldn't work in Russia though...
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22PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:21 pm

France invoked Article 5 of the NATO charter - so 28 states might be at war with the Daesh. And provocations will continue until they do something.
Russia would really like to be in the coalition so save Assad's ass and their own warm port.
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23PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:33 pm

reg, #21, re: "Believe it or not, I have had many lives in Islamic societies and somehow over the centuries, my soul drew the conclusion that this is clearly a no-go religion. Plus that maybe there is reincarnation though mainstream Islam forbids the thought. Islam has its wonderful mystics but the worldly part is simply about raw power. Submission of the powerful to the chief, of women to men, of men to Allah. I clearly remember the conclusion my soul drew after our Sultan murdered an entire sect of Sufi mystics in what could be Baghdad today, though Islam was dear to my heart for hundreds of years through different lives. I have always been in this life especially attracted to Islamic visual design and music (Iranian, Turkish, and various styles of Arab), find the Arabic language beautiful in sound, even prayers, and of course, I like their parables and the Arabian Nights and the wisdom of Hodja Nasruddin. I explain it to myself in a way that perhaps because ordinary life is sometimes not good under Islam, people with a soul have to search elsewhere."

I've seen you post similar messages a number of times over the years, and I instintively understand your viewpoint, even though my own soul has never been through anything like this. I've always been either a Western Occultist in Europe or the USA, or an Eastern Occultist in India. However, Occultists of both stripes have always been attracted to the Islamic artistic and musical elements you mention. And it's extremely important to realize that Western Occultists during the Middle Ages and early Modern Era were in frequent contact with Occultists in the Islamic world, many whom were Jewish in an era in which Moslem governments were much more tolerant of Jews than Christian government were. And I also recall that the Suffis have always believed in reincarnation but have usually concealed this from the Muslim mainstream.

re: "It is interesting though that the most traditional music of India, classical ragas, stemming from a strong and exclusive Hindu influence, has always had many Islamic masters. For example, take the sitar. Did you know that there are seven seats in India where the greatest masters of Indian ragas teach, and six out the seven are led by masters with an Islamic background? I had the chance to hear the concert of one sitar master Parviz Shaheb in Budapest now - and it confirmed my positive prejudice that even classical ragas which can be a bit formal are played with more mood and passion by masters of Islamic background. Ali Akbar Khan was the greatest sarod player, every bit as moving as Beethoven or the Beatles But then again, sitar masters are not running around with weapons. Their only weapon is sound."

I have also always been aware of this, and it looks to me like as Muslim political and military power extended Eastward, a lot of Indian cultural and artistic elements spread Westward and had profound influence over Islam culture.

re: "What is culturally resolved (not without problems) in the Indian peninsula, is not resolved at all in the Middle East."

It looks to me like the Independence of India and the creation of Pakistan have destroyed most of this resolution, and I'm sure RCSCWC will have plenty to say on this issue, so I won't venture to express opinions based on very scanty knowledge of the details.

re: "Another association is that Arabs invented coffee. Indeed, whole societies run on coffee, it would be hard to imagine the US especially. So karma is a bitch both ways. We obliterated many Indian nations and poison ourselves with tobacco..."

I think the raising of coffee trees and preparation of a beverage from the seeds originated in
Ethiopia quite recently ... the references I just looked up said in the 11th century ... and spread throughout the Islamic world very quickly just before the Age of Discovery started. In other words, about the time Marco Polo went to China and returned. And when world-wide sea travel started in the 1500's, the use of coffee and tobacco spread to every continent very quickly. And of course, the growing and use of many Western food crops followed very quickly, so that potatoes and tomatoes became common foods in China and India about the same time this happened in Europe.

re: "If I was an Islamic freethinker now in the West, I would probably change my name. IT wouldn't work in Russia though..."

I'm beginning to think that Islam is about to undergo a Reformation similar to the one that happened within Christianity at the beginning of the Modern Era.
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24PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:39 pm

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France invoked Article 5 of the NATO charter - so 28 states might be at war with the Daesh. And provocations will continue until they do something.
Russia would really like to be in the coalition so save Assad's ass and their own warm port.

Yeah, this is all scary as Hell, and major warfare between a Western Bloc led by the USA and the EU versus a Middle Eastern Bloc led by Russia and a whole bunch of Islam nations is definitely becoming a possibility. However, there is absolutely no way a Russian/Islamic Bloc could win: they just don't have the naval power to prevent the Western Bloc from controlling the world-wide shipment of vital raw materials and finished manufactured products.
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25PostSubject: Re: France Attacked   Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:59 pm

I suggest you read the text of
la Marseillaise and translate it
people were singing it with
obvious transport all over
the world in stadiums
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